Friday, March 15, 2013

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - Readalong post 4

Oh my god, this section of the read was SO emotional. So much happens and all of it is INTENSE. I don't know how I'm supposed to write a coherent post, or one that isn't just the Emma Stone crying into ice cream gif over and over and over. But here it goes...

Krum seems evil but is actually being controlled, Cedric dies, Wormtail loses a hand, Voldemort is back, Moody isn't Moody but is actually Crouch Jr and is responsible for all the shit that happened this year and Fudge refuses to listen to reason and has Crouch kissed by the dementors. Did I forget anything? Oh yeah, Voldy got his gang back...

Aw yeah.
The reveal of Moody not being Moody was insane to me first time round, and even now 10+ years since it's release I'm still a little WHA--- every time I get to it. The thing is, except perhaps for Lupin, Moody is easily the best DADA teacher they've ever had, and it's thanks to him that they learn a lot about defending against curses, hexes, spells, and get the great advice of CONSTANT VILGILANCE. And he was pretty great outside of lessons too, dancing at the Yule Ball, helping Neville after the Unforgivable Curses class, and of course, turning Malfoy into a ferret. So was Crouch simply doing a really good job of acting like Moody because he needed to convince everyone for a full year, or did he actually enjoy being a teacher? I know he seemed pretty evil in his big ass monologue, but I can't help but think that maybe he revelled in the opportunity to actually do something.  He was 19 when he went to Azkaban and he's spent all this time locked in his house, and Winky seems pretty sure that he was actually a good kid (aside from the obvious) so maybe he actually, at least on some level, really enjoyed the whole thing. I also feel like it would have been easier to have Crouch Jr (CJ from now on) polyjuice as his dad, which would also give him access to Harry during the competition but also access to the ministry. Surely long term that'd be the way to go?

I remember when this book came out and there was a tonne of publicity about the fact that one of the characters was going to die. I can't remember if JK specified it was a secondary character or what, but I do remember feeling a little betrayed by it being Cedric. Sure, he's become a bigger character in this book but it was only so they could kill him off and get a reaction from everyone. I thought it might be someone we actually had developed a relationship with, even if it was still a secondary character, someone like Neville (NEVERRRRRRR). Of course, JK goes and shoves all this in my face over the next three books by killing SO MANY PEOPLE and reducing me to a blubbering mess approximately once every 15 pages. SO YOU WIN THIS THIS ONE JK.


I love how much this book deals with family and loss, and how much they can impact on who you become. You have people like Harry and Neville and even Hagrid who are defined by their loss probably because it came at such a young age, but then you also have people like CJ and Voldemort who were so resentful of their fathers that they let it twist them into hideous monsters bent on destroying other families. We see several stages of the destruction of the Crouch family, grief tear at the Diggorys and the fear of loss through Percy and Fleur at the second task. It's all very emotional and sad and makes you want to just curl into a ball in a corner somewhere and cry for all these fictional characters and their problems, but then there's the other side of it where you see Sirius's love and devotion to Harry, Moody comforting Neville (while actually being the torturer so it's a little messed up) or the Weasley's unofficial adoption of Harry. When Harry finds the Weasley's waiting for Harry before the final task and then has them surrounding his hospital bed, it's so wonderful to think he's finally found himself a family. And when Mrs Weasley hugs Harry at the hospital wing?
Mrs Weasley set the potion down on the bedside cabinet, bent down, and put her arms around Harry. He had no memory of ever being hugged like this, as though by a mother. 

 And when you compare these heartbreaking scenes with those at the start of the book at the World Cup or the courtroom scenes in the pensieve, it's an effective way to indicate the loss and fear and emotional turmoil that is to come now that Voldemort's back. Because as we have seen and will come to see, it's the family that really suffers during these wars, not the individual. They put the dark mark over a house so any returning family knows instantly that their loved ones are dead, sons, daughters, husbands etc die trying to fight against Voldemort, and punishment is not doled out on the person who offended Voldemort, instead it's everyone s/he loves that suffers. It's all very traumatic, and it only gets darker and more intense as the series goes on. This is such a great YA series, because it's about so much more than witches and wizards riding brooms and hexing each other in hallways - there's so much substance and thematic intent and it'd be impossible not to take a few life lessons away from it.

and tragic.
Anyway, that got SUPER serious and sort of went into a dark place so to alleviate the mood here's Lee Pace's amazing face.


BULLET POINTS:

*"I no more suspect Madame Maxime than Hagrid," said Dumbledore, just as calmly, "I think it possible that it is you who are prejudiced, Cornelius" - BOOM

*Sirius was only two or three years older than Crouch Jr when they both went to jail so why is it so shocking that C.J was 19?

*"I'd probably say I had big bones if I knew what I'd get for telling the truth" - Hermione, telling it like it is.

*I feel like it's the scene after the pensieve when Harry and Dumbledore's relationship really gets started and they're both a little more open with each other.

*I love when Dumbledore gets that glint in his eye when Harry tells him about V getting around the protection spell - it just says so much about his character.

*Wormtail is treated pretty poorly considering V wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for him. And how exactly is C.J more loyal? He escaped jail and pleaded his innocence during his trial - I don't see how Wormtail is such a failure in comparison.

*Snape knows about Neville's parents, HE KNOWS and still treats Neville like shit for no reason other than to be a dick.

*It's pretty impressive how quickly Voldy and co get their plan sorted considering Wormtail only escaped Hogwarts 11 months ago. Credit where credit's due guys.

*Let's take a moment to remember David Tennant was Crouch Jr in the film.


*There's something messed up about Hermione keeping Skeeter locked up in a jar in beetle form.

*Harry's line to the twins about needing a laugh is so insightful but also really sad. He's 14, he shouldn't be thinking about things like that.

Rowling and Math Update

*Bill hasn't been at the school for 5 years - how does this fit with our age calculations, I can't remember what we'd decided about the older Weasley's ages?

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It's totally messed up for Hermione to keep Rita in a mason jar! I am glad you said that because I have always thought so. And doesn't she, like, shake the jar? I can see how a fourteen-year-old (or I guess Hermione's fifteen by then, I think she's on the old side for her year) might think that was okay, but I wish someone had been like, Bro, not cool.

I think the reason Voldemort's such a jerk to Wormtail is that he's had to live with Wormtail for eleven months. I bet Wormtail is a really annoying housemate. I bet he's always saying annoying things to Voldemort and pissing him off. You know how sometimes you know that someone's been helpful and you should be nice to them, but they're always providing you with fresh annoyance so you keep on being mean instead? I think it's like that.
4 replies · active 628 weeks ago
Gosh, there's so much here. Let's concentrate on the important stuff: why is Moaning Myrtle included in the Death Eaters dancing scene? On the far left? Isn't that Myrtle? Still, winning gif because it makes me laugh every time I see it.

Yes to Hermione vis a vis keeping Skeeter in a bottle. This is the first of the really ruthless things Hermione does in this series and it always seemed to be glossed over because everybody loves Hermione and think she's awesome and don't want to acknowledge her darker moments. Hell, I love Hermione and think she's awesome, but part of that is because her character is so round. Once again, I think that she's the only character who demonstrates possession of traits from all four houses in equal measure. (Even Dumbledore is pretty much equal parts Slyth, Gryff, and Ravenclaw, but lacking Hufflepuff)

an even bigger YES to the ethics of Barty teaching DADA. I'd love to attend a symposium on the ethics in this series. What does it really mean to learn something good from someone evil? While Lupin was certainly a better teacher than Crouch, Crouch taught them more and taught it effectively. Can an action be good (from a philosophic point of view) if the intention behind it is bad? These are the things that I lie awake at night and ponder. But just wait 'til the DADA teacher in Book Six: he's the most kick-ass of them all. ;)
1 reply · active 628 weeks ago
OMG, that first gif!

"So was Crouch simply doing a really good job of acting like Moody because he needed to convince everyone for a full year, or did he actually enjoy being a teacher?" - I was confused about this. And I kept forgetting that CJ didn't take over Moody like 1/2 way through the school year or something. Because otherwise poor CJ missed his calling. I do wonder, given your point about him comforting Neville, if maybe he was in the wrong place at the wrong time when he was arrested at 19. Maybe he felt guilty for what happened to the Longbottoms and only got really crazy in Azkaban.

This book does do a good job at showing you all of the turmoil Voldie and his gang reaped.

"Sirius was only two or three years older than Crouch Jr when they both went to jail so why is it so shocking that C.J was 19?" - Because JK is bad at math. Building off that, I don't think Bill not being at Hogwarts in 5 years fits AT ALL with the rest of the math. I chose to believe he came to visit for one of the younger bros graduation maybe? Or maybe coming to see a Quidditch game? I don't know.
2 replies · active 628 weeks ago
Wormtail is a failure because he is a shit-eater, and this book is barely kind to its outright badasses and genuine heroes.

Also, I think it's tragic that Moody was Crouch all that time because he was WONDERFUL and KIND and they should all mourn him. Also, Crouch did a fantastic Moody impression because in the later books you'd never know it was a different dude.
1 reply · active 628 weeks ago
To echo Alley, OMG that first gif. I was HYPNOTISED!

I always forget that Crouch Jr was Moody THE WHOLE TIME because it kind of doesn't make sense since he's awesome for SO much of the book. Obviously that makes it a better BIG GASP reveal at the end, but it's just a bit like... Really? I STILL thought the bad guy was Karakoff when I read it this time though, so, yeah. I'm smart!

I feel like Wormtail is definitely more loyal than Crouch Jr! But then, I guess Crouch Jr went into Hogwarts and faced the wrath of DUMBLEDORE THE BADASS, so... Hmmmmm. It's a toss up.
2 replies · active 628 weeks ago
I was SO BUMMED about Moody not being Moody, the first time through, because he is just the greatest and I wanted to spend more time with him. I feel like he's not totally different in the later books, but he does, I don't know, seem less invested in the kids somehow? Less interested in them? He was just a great DADA. Too bad CJ's a homicidal maniac.
1 reply · active 628 weeks ago
Hm, I guess CJ couldn't polyjuice into his dad because it wouldn't give him as many opportunities to fix the tournament. But yes, it would be way easier.

Although the whole Triwizard tournament plot is so ridiculously complicated that it's almost a joke. Couldn't Moody have just kidnapped Harry on a Hogsmeade weekend and be done with it?

Also TIM CURRY GIF FTW!
3 replies · active 628 weeks ago
Wow I really can not get my eyes off the first GIF.

One of my main issues with Moody/Crouch was that he was the person who helped Harry learn how to resist the Imperio curse, which sort of backfired when Voldy did Imperio Harry. Why would he teach his master's nemesis to fight mind control?!
1 reply · active 628 weeks ago
I always wondered why Crouch, Jr. would work so hard to give Harry tools to defend against his master (like learning to throw off the Imperius curse, which ends up coming in handy), so your theory about him trying to actually accomplish something is interesting. Maybe he's only a little evil? And I never thought of it before but yeah, it would have made much more sense for him to become his dad, and also would have made his convincing mimicry more believable.
1 reply · active 628 weeks ago
MAYBE Snape is being a dick to Neville because he's trying to toughen him up? Like, he knows coddling him and feeling sorry for him because of what happened to his parents isn't going to be doing him any favors. I will explain away all Snape's douchebag moves, and THAT is why most of my dating relationships didn't work out.
1 reply · active 628 weeks ago
Even as Crounch Jnr David Tennant is so yummm
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